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The news of Arafat's death has been greeted by many of us with a collective sigh of relief. But I feel the need to say publicly something of which I have been trying to remind myself. Rumours have been flying as to cause of death, various wishes and speculations have occurred regarding his afterlife/place in the world to come. In other words, it's hard, after so many years of enmity, not to gloat at his death, to treat it as a cause celebre.

However. There is a story in the Talmud.

It is said that when the Israelites were fleeing Egypt, and the reed sea parted for them and then closed in upon the Egyptians, the Angels danced and sang at the Egyptians' deaths. The Lord chided them, saying "do not celebrate. Even though the Egyptians were wicked, they are still My creations, and it pains me to have to destroy them."

And even though Arafat was wicked, he was still God's creation. And perhaps George W. Bush's words on the matter, "God bless his soul," despite the outrage they have sparked, are the most appropriate. After all -- whose soul is in greater need of God's blessing than the man whose life was a curse?

So farewell Mr. Arafat, I expect the world might be a better place for your leaving it, but may you find in death the peace that evaded you in life.

Date: 2004-11-12 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
Thank you so much for a well-thought out post on Arafat's death. I've been searching my feelings on him, and I've had so many conflicts that I can't post anything. You've said what I couldn't.

Date: 2004-11-12 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deckardcanine.livejournal.com
I got in an online argument about it these last two days, with a fellow so-called Christian, no less. I'm glad you agree with me. He wouldn't accept the Talmud as an authority, but it sure sounds like the same God to me.

Date: 2004-11-12 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] level-head.livejournal.com
It is, I understand, the official position of Israel with regard to the matter.

It would be exactly the same for Usama bin Ladin -- and he might evoke a similar remark from President Bush.

But I have seen some expressions of happiness over Arafat's demise, and understand them. They are not as loud and boistrous as the celebrations I saw over the deaths of Ronald Reagan, and before that Strom Thurmond. Most are taking this event in stride.

It seems that "Ding Dong The Wicked Witch Is Dead" still plays in Peoria. But most Peorians -- i.e. most Americans -- don't have much knowledge (or memory) of Arafat's bloody history. They think that the Chechens in Beslan invented the idea of mass slaughter of schoolchildren hostages.

Yassir Arafat certainly gets the credit for his schoolchidren death squads, though. What a grim business -- teaching kids from age 5 to die for the cause of killing Jews.

I concur with RichardF8 above -- Arafat's death is a good thing, but should not be a celebration. Among other reasons, it will make continued interaction with the Palestinians even more difficult.

===|==============/ Level Head

on his death

Date: 2004-11-13 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-eagle.livejournal.com
and speaking simply out of curiousity... I find it odd that at first when he was transported, it was due to a mysterious blood ailment, and while they kept ruling things out... .....not a word since (that I've heard) as to what actually was his cause of death. ;P

Sounds a bit suspicious to me.
If you hear any hints about what it was, do let us know...

Date: 2004-11-13 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] level-head.livejournal.com
As a Republican, I'm sure that you took great offense at Ted Rall's "Reagan in Hell" strip.

You are making a mistake. I'd have felt the same about such treatment of Clinton.

Rall should rightly be offensive to any American, I would think. You'll recall that I am on your side on a number of topics. But more than that, I am interested in the truth of things, the factual underpinnings.

I have voted Democrat in the past, but was not political per se and did not get much involved in it. Once I turned my investigative energies toward politics, I became a Republican. I agree with more than half of the current conservative platform, and less than half of the liberal platform -- but am not in full agreement with either.

Ted Rall is an ass, independent of all this. But I don't follow his cartoon, or newspapers in general, and I don't think I've seen the one you're talking about.

===|==============/ Level Head

Date: 2004-11-13 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deckardcanine.livejournal.com
Well, it wasn't much of an argument, really. He started with the simple statement that the world was a better place without Arafat. That struck me as cold (which is awfully in character for this guy), and I said that I hated it whenever someone spoke ill of the recently deceased and especially when they rejoiced at it. He was appalled at what he took to be a disbelief in evil people, and he asked if I would have had the U.S. send dignitaries to Hitler's funeral and call it a day of mourning. My more elaborate response started with, "I do believe in evil, but I also believe in loving your enemies."

Today I saw his response. He inferred from my last message that I agreed that the world is a better place without Arafat. He may be correct, but he seems to have missed my point.

This is a guy who refuses to stop talking on various threads of the Mynarski Forest Forum about how wrong the liberals are for disagreeing with the President's war decisions. I promised the forum today that I would stop partaking in such arguments. He's probably not a troll so much as an aggressive ideologue who doesn't know what's good for a debator's image.

Date: 2004-11-14 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] level-head.livejournal.com
That explains why U.K. politics are so unifying, hmmm? ];-)

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Date: 2004-11-14 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-eagle.livejournal.com
*nods.....*

Date: 2004-11-18 06:01 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] childings.livejournal.com
I too think that George W. Bush's words were the most appropriate.

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